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  1. #11

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    I'd say sod it.

    Chill, sit on the ramp holding the horse that doesn't want to go home on a long rope, let him chill, munch a haynet, grass, whatever, while you have a brew and a sarnie (or a glass of wine ) and don't even think about loading until you are calm.

    Then see if he wants to have a go, if not, sit back down for a few, rinse and repeat. Don't set out with any time limit, say to yourself that you'll sit and relax for hours if needs be. Hopefully you being calm will feed to him and he will calm quickly. I do think they pick up on adrenaline and also the swines know if we are in a rush and will then proceed to act like a plank! Worth a try?

    One of mine is a crap loader, and the more we try to rush the worse he gets, and he's a big strong lad! In summer we needed to bring him in for the weekend but we went with the opinion that yes no worries we have all the time in the world - he loaded in 15 mins which is a world record for him!

    ETA since then we've needed to load him a few times - 20 mins has been the maximum and once he walked on first time.

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    Contrary to madlady say8ng let him eat, Kelly Marks said to not allow food, grass or hay anywhere but inside the lorry once loaded.
    And we never did.
    She explained it that the only nice “comfy” place was to be inside, once loaded.
    one life, live it!

  3. #13

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    Richard Maxwell. Problem solved. No exaggeration the guy is a genius, read my threads about my nightmare loader (3years and I'd never fully loaded him) 20 minutes and Max had him fully loaded. I NEVER thought it would have been possible

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    totally agree. you have answered your own problem. until your horse is calm and has come down off his high there is no way he can load. you need to learn how to get him to lower his energy levels and calm. I have learnt that through years of experience with my boy. I do use calmers - quite often for me so that I am calm before I start because if I am not calm I know full well he won't be. they always take there lead from us. I even do exaggerated deep breathing to get both his and my heart rate down. I know there are people who will think I am stupid but it does work. good luck.
    Quote Originally Posted by madlady View Post
    I'd say sod it.

    Chill, sit on the ramp holding the horse that doesn't want to go home on a long rope, let him chill, munch a haynet, grass, whatever, while you have a brew and a sarnie (or a glass of wine ) and don't even think about loading until you are calm.

    Then see if he wants to have a go, if not, sit back down for a few, rinse and repeat. Don't set out with any time limit, say to yourself that you'll sit and relax for hours if needs be. Hopefully you being calm will feed to him and he will calm quickly. I do think they pick up on adrenaline and also the swines know if we are in a rush and will then proceed to act like a plank! Worth a try?

    One of mine is a crap loader, and the more we try to rush the worse he gets, and he's a big strong lad! In summer we needed to bring him in for the weekend but we went with the opinion that yes no worries we have all the time in the world - he loaded in 15 mins which is a world record for him!

    ETA since then we've needed to load him a few times - 20 mins has been the maximum and once he walked on first time.

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    Another reason for reluctance loading coming home may be something hurts. If the horse has just been ridden for several hours and exerting itself then an ache which is not around at home becomes evident and travelling with all its little muscle corrections suddenly becomes a painful issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabatsa View Post
    Another reason for reluctance loading coming home may be something hurts. If the horse has just been ridden for several hours and exerting itself then an ache which is not around at home becomes evident and travelling with all its little muscle corrections suddenly becomes a painful issue.
    Good point

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    If he's revved and wants to stay at the party, I suspect it would need a big slug of calmer to make a difference. Sounds a bit psycho-babble, but could you think of a "chill routine"?

    Saddle off, nice cooler on, a little song, a massage?

    You never know...!

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    Thanks for the replies everyone, much appreciated. I feel better knowing i'm not alone!

    In regards to having someone like Richard Maxwell out, it has crossed my mind BUT...I can literally stand at the bottom of the ramp and fling the leadrope over his neck, and he will walk up on his own at home so its out of home we have the problem. Having said that, I will email him and see if he thinks he could help us. I wonder if him or someone similar could come out to a meet at the end of the day and help me there...hmm
    In response to when was trailer checked, its a 7.5 tonne lorry,very very big inside and is checked reguarly as I am paranoid about floors etc! Also recently had ramp refurbed as was getting slippy and my mare stopped wanting to go in, so ramp is great now.
    Pain has crossed my mind, but I have spoken to my vet about this and she knows him very well and isnt convinced it has anything to do with that. The other thing that makes me think it isnt is that if my mare is on there then he will walk up no hesitation.
    A mirror is a genius idea and an easy one to try!
    I think the ideas about working out how to calm him down is where i need to start, he is just utterly horrid when in 'that' headspace.
    Giving him a magnesium calmer everyday isnt really an option sadly as if he was any more laid back at home he would be going backwards, hes pretty lazy as it is! Electrolytes is a good idea! He wont eat any that I have tried so far though which are, Horse First, Equine America Applelytes and ones that tasted of cherry...anyone have any ideas of some more palatable ones? Or maybe a syringe version?
    We do back the lorry up (where we can) so that at least one side is covered but it isnt always possible.

    I will add that the last few weeks we have been just getting back to lorry, sponge off, tack off, rug on, i have a ciggy while OH gets changed and i walk him round for 10 minutes. Really thinking about it, it has helped as although he is still taking a while to get on, he is less angry about it. And i havent been kicked again so that has to be a good thing...

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    How soon after riding do you load? just wondering if he gets a chance to calm himself before going on. Can you tie to the lorry and give a very small haynet and give him a brush. Pack all your things, hopefully by then he has calmed down slightly and some of the other boxes would have gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaurenBay View Post
    How soon after riding do you load? just wondering if he gets a chance to calm himself before going on. Can you tie to the lorry and give a very small haynet and give him a brush. Pack all your things, hopefully by then he has calmed down slightly and some of the other boxes would have gone.

    Hi,
    As above, this is something we are trialing. Normally about 20 mins.

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